hello, i've been lurking for quite some time here on this forum, reading a whole lot and i've finally made the courage to create an account as a form of escape and in hopes to be understood and not feel "mentally diseased".
little background on me, i am a born in but i consider myself a pimo (physically in mentally out).
i feel like i've always had doubts but these doubts would sink with the meetings and the assemblies and every other little thing that drowns any doubts a witness may have.
Welcome!
Did someone actually say to you, that YOU are mentally diseased? While you are waking up, and going through the emotions related to this life altering event....I would caution some patience. Don't be in a rush to run off at the mouth, or make big decisions on what to do.
You are thinking for yourself for the first time in a long time. Get your thoughts straight. Might take some time.
But focus on being your AUTHENTIC SELF. You will find your way.
hello to all, so i did want to talk about this topic because i think it is very important to me.
i have a grandfather who faded several decades ago.
he occasionally attends an assembly and the memorial but no longer attends meetings or goes on field service.
I had a talk with an old friend (who happens to be an elder). He said to me "why don't you just make it official?". The context was that essentially it would just be easier if they knew where I stood. My response was that I didn't wish to place my friends and family in that place. if they know that I don't attend meetings and wish to shun me, so be it. there is no mandate for them to do so, but if they chose to do it its on them. The ones that don't, are a bit more in the "real friends" category for me.
I have faded. I have done so in a way that the elders really don't want to come after me. It would be unpleasant, and create an enemy. It would be a lot of "work" and there are a few people that would "go down" with me.
I did this on purpose, so that if they saw me with my kid at halloween, they could convince themselves they saw somebody else.
in the meantime, since I am able to talk to people, I have been able to help 3 or 4 people out. It all started with a conversation I would NOT have been able to have, if I was disassociated. They would have shunned me before I spoke.
JW's are all about technicalities. Don't feed into this one. The DA letter means nothing. they will rob you of your dignity no matter what you do. Just live your life, and be yourself.
http://www.pennlive.com/news/2017/07/court_nixes_lawsuit_by_family.html.
the family of a jehovah's witness who died after repeatedly refusing blood transfusions can't sue the hospital where doctors begged for a chance to save her life, a state appeals court ruled.. the case, outlined in an opinion by superior court judge jacqueline o. shogan, involves a convergence of religion, medicine and the law.. its focus is on what happened before terri seels-davila, a jehovah's witness missionary, died after giving birth at hahnemann university hospital in philadelphia in november 2010.. seels-davila, who had been serving on mission with her husband in nicaragua, chose hahnemann because of its "bloodless medicine" program for patients who won't agree to having blood transfusions, including jehovah's witnesses, shogan noted.
the treatment plan for seels-davila called for recycling her own blood back into her system.. yet that proved to be inadequate when complications of her delivery required seels-davila to deliver by cesarean section.
Orphan Crow,
I appreciate the info. My first child i was a JW, the second I had left. Both were complicated, and blood was almost introduced.
I think the word "mundane" was a poor choice. I suppose I meant "common". Birth is a common procedure. Like do the elders show up for tonsillectomies? There is a larger than normal bleed risk there. I just hadn't really heard of it before, and I was being "groomed" for the HLC at one point in my former life.
Either way, i did not know the risk was that high, and transfusions commonplace. thanks for the details.
i was a window cleaner, i was at the time unemployed, homeless.
i had no education to be proud of (high school one a two b's rest c's) i was a jehovahs witness.
i had been a pioneer.
Great story. thank you for sharing it. I too am thinking about going back to school, with a career in the medical profession. Perfusionist. they work the heart and lung machine, and also the cell saver machine. It kind of calls to me......maybe I want to be the apostate that helps JWs?
I don't know. It feels so late to go to school. (Im 43).
But your story is inspiring.
so continuing my review of the current bull shit my family in this cult are subjected to i found this article about professor rajesh kalaria, a jw since 1973 and a scientist who has studied the human brain for 40 years (hmm... so he converted into this cult very early in his career it seems).anyway i also found this jw broadcasting piece about him where he says:.
“and brain is what we are; what i am, what you are.
no brain, no life.
But its you. Jehovah made a perfect copy!
But how is it me if its a copy? The original died.
Yes but he is perfect and you are "alive in his memory" so that he can bring you back perfectly
So is he bringing me back? Or is he reconstructing me better and with a new brain?
Well he is reconstructing your body but putting your old self into it.
So is my self somewhere right now?
Well no, that would be like a soul, but yes in that you are in Gods memory.
But then that means he is going to reconstruct my brain.....make a new me. A copy.
Right a copy.
So not the original...right?
....
**and repeat for 3 hours
so i have been inactive for about a year and a half.
been baptised for about 35 years.how long would it take before they give up on what i do with my life, for example, i celebrate all holidays now, and have even posted on social media pics of me and my family celebrating.
do they even care anymore?
It all hangs on wether it "becomes public knowledge". They technically have grounds to disfellowship you. Nothing says they have to, but if it comes up, in my experience, someone will want to police the situation until you are dealt with.
I have been inactive for 3 years, and we are still careful about celebrating our kids birthday or posting photos for that very reason.
http://www.pennlive.com/news/2017/07/court_nixes_lawsuit_by_family.html.
the family of a jehovah's witness who died after repeatedly refusing blood transfusions can't sue the hospital where doctors begged for a chance to save her life, a state appeals court ruled.. the case, outlined in an opinion by superior court judge jacqueline o. shogan, involves a convergence of religion, medicine and the law.. its focus is on what happened before terri seels-davila, a jehovah's witness missionary, died after giving birth at hahnemann university hospital in philadelphia in november 2010.. seels-davila, who had been serving on mission with her husband in nicaragua, chose hahnemann because of its "bloodless medicine" program for patients who won't agree to having blood transfusions, including jehovah's witnesses, shogan noted.
the treatment plan for seels-davila called for recycling her own blood back into her system.. yet that proved to be inadequate when complications of her delivery required seels-davila to deliver by cesarean section.
pale emperor,
Your story is why our birth plan, and anything medically related was always private. The HLC was outside the door? Why!? Whop called them? This was a childbirth. Do they really show up for such mundane things?
http://www.pennlive.com/news/2017/07/court_nixes_lawsuit_by_family.html.
the family of a jehovah's witness who died after repeatedly refusing blood transfusions can't sue the hospital where doctors begged for a chance to save her life, a state appeals court ruled.. the case, outlined in an opinion by superior court judge jacqueline o. shogan, involves a convergence of religion, medicine and the law.. its focus is on what happened before terri seels-davila, a jehovah's witness missionary, died after giving birth at hahnemann university hospital in philadelphia in november 2010.. seels-davila, who had been serving on mission with her husband in nicaragua, chose hahnemann because of its "bloodless medicine" program for patients who won't agree to having blood transfusions, including jehovah's witnesses, shogan noted.
the treatment plan for seels-davila called for recycling her own blood back into her system.. yet that proved to be inadequate when complications of her delivery required seels-davila to deliver by cesarean section.
I mentioned it on the other post about this case, but I did not know cell saver machines stripped blood of its coagulating effects. In the end, the blood they salvaged and re-introduced, could not effectively clot. This is why in the end, she slowly died over the course of a couple days.
Had whole blood of the main "component" with clotting factors been introduced, it is very likely she would have survived.
It seems that she was an american citizen, serving in Nicaragua, who married a man from that country (since an emergency visa was something the doctors were willing to arrange).
It was heartbreaking to hear of the medical staff trying everything they could, begging the family for relief. Horrific.
Of course if you listen to the apologists.....this kind of thing really doesn't happen anymore right?
the supreme court of russia has rejected the jehovah's witnesses' appeal.. https://jw-russia.org/news/17071719-195.html.
july 17, 2017 the supreme court of russia has missed the last chance to restore law and justice for the 175,000 russian citizens professing the religion of jehovah's witnesses.
it took less than an hour of the meeting a panel of three supreme court judges, to leave unchanged the decision taken earlier by the judge yuri ivanenko, the liquidation and ban any and all registered organizations of the religion.since there is no more effective domestic remedies, the believers will appeal to the european court of human rights and other international organizations.. *note: as reported by the jworg source, jw-russia.org.
OC : It's quite the statement, isn't it? And it follows this..." Physiological studies have been conducted in relation to Jehovah's Witnesses"
I don't think the lawyer even knows what Physiology is. But hell......if physiological studies have been done on JW's specifically I would love to know how their organism differs in use. Perhaps the uncanny ability to subjugate certain brain cells that would otherwise be in use?
jw family loses a civil case against a pa hospital where the mother died after bleeding following child birth.
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http://law.justia.com/cases/pennsylvania/superior-court/2017/1838-eda-2015.html.
I just saw that three clerical members of his staff were i fact Jehovahs Witnesses.
they were denied using a particular expert witness because essentially they said he had no real expertise in "bloodless medicine" and didn't even "have a basic grasp of what it entails". Dr Ronald Paynter. I can't help but wonder if he is a JW.
But they sued this hospital for essentially not properly staffing its bloodless medicine program? For real?
The expert that was allowed is Dr Minda Green, and her birthday cake on facebook reveals she is not a JW.
